Military EMR/EMT

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Military EMR/EMT

Postby MCouves » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:24 pm

I am wondering about how the DND firefighters are trained with regards to the medical aspect, i was in for 7 years and went to school for firefighting andi am basically waiting on a interview here. Do they give there firefighters EMR/EMT or do they stay separate and let the MED techs deal with it. Appreciate any feedback.

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Postby QuebecFire » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:20 pm

Don't quote me on this but I believe the dnd guys are EMR cert only. Bases are covered by municipal medical services with the exception of CFB Valcartier which still has the MEDTECHS answering calls but that will be phased out this year if it isn't already done. A shame if you ask me.

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Postby fiveleaf » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:23 pm

Med techs are paramedics. For the most part, they do their cert at the JIBC near Vancouver. Unless they are attached to a field ambulance, they don't respond to calls.

Firefighters get EMR. Expect most to all "real" calls on base to be medical calls. Typically, the civilian paramedics (and MP's) will be on scene shortly.

If you're looking for additional medical training, the cdn military has a system called ILP's, or "Individual Learning Plan". For NCM's (which all military fire ftr's are), the military will spend up to $20k on professional development / skills that will better enable you to do your job that are of use to the military.
I have heard of guys working full time (at a military hall) while completing a part-time civilian paramedic course, paid for by the crown under the ILP program.

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Postby 8888 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:55 pm

For the EMR Cert

is it valid from province to province? Or do you have to contest it each time ?


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Postby Harbinger » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:23 pm

Every province has their own emergency medical licensing branch. You need a provincial license to work as an EMR/PCP/ACP//CCP issued by the individual jurisdiction.

Transfer and licensing requirements vary by province. Military is federal and does not issue licenses. Have to get it on your own wherever you get posted.

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Postby MedicDelta » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:33 pm

CF firefighters are Red Cross EMR certified. Although when I did my Co-Op with them there was rumour of them changing to St John Ambulance AMFR(don't see why they would do this since EMR is higher).

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Postby ARFF1982 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:52 am

Hi All,

Great thread with all kind of good points.

Although I have since released in favor of a civilian Fire/EMS career, I was a CF firefighter for 10 years. As a secondary duty, I oversaw EMR provider, Instructor, and Instructor-Trainer development for the CF Fire Service, particularly in Atlantic.

As noted below, the Canadian Forces Fire Service (including DND civilian branch) provides certification to the level of EMR. - The contract is currently with Canadian Red Cross (phenomenal program, by the way). As such, select CF firefighters complete the Red Cross Instructor Development Program, to in turn train their colleagues in-house.

It is very important to note that CF/DND firefighters are provided with certification (not licensing) to the level of EMR. Once certified, the CF Surgeon General acts as the medical director, providing scope of practice. This responsibility does not fall the provinces . Consequently, the CF firefighter's scope of practice is identical regardless of what where they operate, be it BC, Alberta, etc..

There is a misunderstanding among many CF firefighters that because they are "certified" as an EMR, they are automatically eligible for provincial licensing with their civilian branches (ex Manitoba Health, Alberta Health Services etc..) I receive a plethora of phone calls from CF members who have learned (often too late) that their Red Cross EMR certificate (despite meeting PAC NOCP's and federal scope of practice) is insufficient for provincial licensing upon release from the military. Classically, CF members release from the Forces, apply to a civilian department "requiring EMR" and are unsuccessful because they are unable to license provincially. It boils down to the fundamental difference between certification and licensing. It frustrates me that this is not better articulated on day 01 of an EMR course.

As we know, civilian pre-hospital care is a provincial beast. Accordingly, the provinces, through their medical directors, have the autonomy to dictate licensing requirements, scope of practice, etc.. Want to work as a civilian firefighter in Alberta? - Per Alberta, you need to have undergone EMR training locally (see Alberta college of paramedics website). Then an only then can you write the provincial exam / license as an EMR. - Their approved programs far exceed PAC NOCP's. In fact, Alberta is on the cusp of rolling out a 200+ hour EMR program which will include a clinical component. Hence, the CF firefighter can't walk into the oil field and expect a job requiring EMR. - Back to school for you.

On a positive note, there are only 5 provinces in Canada that actually license EMR's (and thus employ them professionally). They are: BC, Alberta, Sask, Manitoba and Newfoundland. In the remaining provinces, paramedics are the minimum professional designation. The good news is that if you license in one of the "big 5", you're able to slide laterally into the other 4.

Solution for my CF friends:
1) Certify as a Red Cross EMR through the Canadian Forces / DND
2) Apply for (civilian) licensing as an EMR through the province of BC
3) Once licensed in BC, you can work there and.or port your license into the 4 other provinces of your choosing.

Take care ;)

- K

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Postby 8888 » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:07 am

What a beauty !!!
Thanks a bunch for posting!!

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